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He is also managing editor and columnist to the "washington examiner." thanks so much for joining us. let's start with this most recent amendment. $8 billion in order to pull the cost of those with pre-existing conditions. that is a challenge in health care. they have these expenses and paying for that. you think $8 billion is the right number? >> what's clear is that this isn't the only amount of money. the 8 billion is on top of $130 billion that was allocated in previous variations of the bill. with that said, the $140 billion is earmarked for various differences that states can use it for,...

Or might not be made in the senate could bring this closer to the trillion of obamacare? >> maybe. we'll know when we see a cbo score. about $140 billion given to insurance companies to cover their losts when people get sick. >> neil: by the way, you mentioned the cbo score. you want to see that first. you expect your senate colleagues to see that before you do anything on this? >> i'd like to know at least how they evaluate it. they're not always right. the other thing that republicans need is, offering people half as much obamacare, half as much subsidies. the question is what about the othe...

Also know with we're trillion in debt, we can't do this by simply cutting taxes without putting some more revenue back in the bank because otherwise, our debt levels will crush our kids and our grandchildren and not in the future. but as interest rates go up, remember one thing. every interest rate point that goes up 1% adds $140 billion a year of additional federal debt service. that's before the tax cuts for wealthy that the trump plan seems to be focused on. >> do you think the president would be well advised to start working with democrats? he seemed to try to blame the democrats for the f...

Make that statement. is not feeding seniors in and of itself the fulfillment? >> my understanding from having been in the state government. i've been wrong several times today but my understanding is that that is a state determination. federal government doesn't directly fund that. it funds the central block grants and some states choose to take the money and do meals on wheels. other states in localities might choose to do something else. we look at the cgdbs, we look at $140 billion without the showing of that type of expenditure. >> how sean does this every day for an hour and a half i have...

Caucus in the house will stick to their comments about debt and deficit. you know, a quick sugar high with a tax cut that's unpaid for when we've already got 19 trillion in debt is really unsustainable. you know, right now if interest rates go up 1 percentage points that adds $140 billion a year of additional spenting for debt service. i think we need to think about alignment of how we get business to think longer term. i spent longer in business than i have in politics. something is wrong when 95% of corporate profits are paid out in share buy back and dividends and not reinvested in business...