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Of the statistics in chicago and elsewhere. >> we just showed the numbers. so far in 2021. 1418 people have been shot in chicago. i mean, that number seems -- it's unimaginable. so you mentioned that chicago mayor lori lightfoot banned foot pursuits in most cases. police officers can't even chase a criminal if they run away. what should lori lightfoot do to make this problem better to alleviate this issue a little bit. >> i think the one thing she needs to do which i know she won't do. she needs to let police officers do their job. we spent hundreds of millions of dollars training our men and ...

Not including the shooter. when these things happen, it generally breaks down, law enforcement gets here in five or seven minutes. in this instance police chief greg alen advised law enforcement was on the scene in since minutes. usually what happens is, the shooter before police gets there either leaves, kills himself, or someone else on scene interdicts himself. this is very rare, because after police get there, the options are the police arrests the person, the person commits suicide, or the person is interdicted or shot by police. the amount of times that a person perpetrates something lik...

And what they were up against. how rare is what we just saw, harry? >> brian, it's pretty rare. i mean, keep in mind, usually most people who are trying to defect from north korea, you know, to freedom, essentially, go from to china essentially. so, for somebody to actually cross the dnc, i mean, think about it. this is an area that's usually riddled with mines, hundreds of thousands of soldiers are in this area. tanks, heavy machine guns. this is an area of the world you don't run across. it's pretty astounding. >> brian: here's the problem. i got these numbers from our brain room here. 881 d...

The south. and what they were up against. how rare is what we just saw, harry? >> brian, it's pretty rare. i mean, keep in mind, usually most people who are trying to defect from north korea, you know, to freedom, essentially, go from to china essentially. so, for somebody to actually cross the dnc, i mean, think about it. this is an area that's usually riddled with mines, hundreds of thousands of soldiers are in this area. tanks, heavy machine guns. this is an area of the world you don't run across. it's pretty astounding. >> brian: here's the problem. i got these numbers from our brain room ...

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