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By his statements. number one, there is no basis in law for it. number two, as you point out, eighties a felony to obstruct a congressional investigation, 1505 of the usc. whether he has a defense or not, i don't know. sometimes there is a speech or debate clause by the doesn't protect against criminal activity. the real point is, what is he hiding? what is he trying to keep the proof from coming out? i think the leaders of our country, and kevin is one of them, should be stepping forward and trying to get to the bottom of everything that led up to january 6th. people who are not doing that ar...

Law for it, and number two, as you point out, it is a felony to obstruct a congressional investigation of 1505 of the 18 usc. whether he has a defense or not, i don't know. sometimes there is a speech of debate clause, but it doesn't protect against criminal activity. but the real point is, what's he hiding? why is he trying to keep the truth from coming out? i think the leader of our country, and kevin is one of them, should be stepping forward and trying to get to the bottom of everything that led up to january 6th. and people who aren't doing that are a mystery to me. unless they participat...

You know, it's really astonishing that people are calling to sanction these two members of congress who are simply doing their duty and other members of congress who are republicans are calling for violence and not a word, not a peep of condemnation for that discussion. it's really very confounding. >> i mean, it makes sense that they're calling for, you know -- calling for against cheney and kinzinger when you consider the minority leader, kevin mccarthy, is threatening telecommunications companies and social media companies if they cooperate with a duly appointed committee. >> well, aside fr...

Companies from following the law, from following any subpoena that they may get. but we're not even there yet because as you and melanie were just discussing, this is just a preservation order. this is highly routine and congress does this all the time, and all they're trying to do is tell the data companies that you don't get to destroy the records right now. >> okay. melanie mentioned the possibility of an ethics investigation for issuing a threat and there are prior cases to that. from a legal perspective, from a leader, sitting lawmaker to say, we will not forget, a not so veiled threat i ...

From other republicans who love our country as much as i do. this is not the american way. >> you know, chuck rosenberg, there's so much that happens because trump does such a volume business of debasing the office he fills, we don't pause and analyze every little thing he does. let's pause on this. is there any policy at the united states justice department where what he did if you were anybody else would be addressed? >> well, sure, there are statutes that criminalize conduct. >> really? >> obstruction of justice, obstruction of congressional hearings, title 18 of the united states code sect...