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President of the united states and it's overwhelming at times. i think you got a sense of just what the day-to-day responsibility and reality is. >> also a good reminder, i think, to the american public as these wars in iraq and afghanistan have moved into their, what, 15ed, 16th year. >> my god. >> they recede in your mind a little bit that these things we talk about is sort of bureaucratic policy terms around tables like this. and in washington have real-world impact and that americans are in the line of fire and the husband and a father is losing his life and these are very serious, serious...

Understanding of some of the key issues. >> dr. brzezinski, what is your view of the impact around the world of president trump's executive order travel ban, the immigration ban from seven countries and the cessation temporarily of the refuge program here in the united states? as you pull back, what does it mean for america and the world. >> well, i think in a general sense, it damages our image. obviously, and for good reasons. some countries, some people, some faiths are very negatively effective and very cruelly affected so that policnes rapid improvement. >> dr. zbigniew brzezinski. always...