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If he did potentially violate the act. chris: where do you come down on this? >> it's important previous administration officials have the freedom to talk to foreign leaders and share those insights with the current administration. it's valuable. what we don't know is what did he say? was he listening? was he discussing? or was he advocating? in his body language in his television appearance lead me to believe that he was maybe advocating yes wait him out until the next administration. if so that's problematic. no i don't think it's worthy of a justice department investigation. the logan act h...

If he did potentially violate the act. chris: where do you come down on this? >> it's important previous administration officials have the freedom to talk to foreign leaders and share those insights with the current administration. it's valuable. what we don't know is what did he say? was he listening? was he discussing? or was he advocating? in his body language in his television appearance lead me to believe that he was maybe advocating yes wait him out until the next administration. if so that's problematic. no i don't think it's worthy of a justice department investigation. the logan act h...

Chris: less than a minute left. karl, where do you come down on this? >> it's important that previous administration officials have to foreign leaders and share those insights with the current administration. it's valuable. what we don't know is what did he say. was he listening? was he discussing or was he advocating? in his body language, and the it's a television appearance that led me to believe he was maybe advocating, yes, wait him out until the next administration. if so, it's problematic. now, i don't think it's worthy of a justice department investigation. the logan act has had two un...

This path. they say they need more time an may not meet the deadline. if they don't meet the deadline, what can the judge do? can the judge do anything really? >> this is a great lesson on how the real world works. since 1803 since marbury versus madison, the courts have the last word. in theory. but as a practical matter, you know, what can a judge really do in a circumstance like this? in theory, the judge could hold certain officials in contempt of court but that won't get the kids out of -- >> hold the hhs secretary in court or -- contempt of court? >> the judge could do that. as a practic...

Macron and thanking him. i want to thank him for standing with us in syria. you want to thank him, the french people for selling louisiana to united states in 1803. i love france but i'd rather it be part of us. >> they gave us that really nice statute that used to be emblematic of what we're all about there in the new york harb sh. that's come into dispute. the reason i raise this is not to play petty politics. >> i know. >> but to deal with big pea politics. the president has consensus of common ground behind him. he's going to look around this table and see only one half of the equation rep...