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The cornerstone. he was wearing the apron and everything else. what do you mean there -- >> done in 1976. the painting, the one in the capital of washington laying the cornerstone. there were some in 1840s and '50s. >> glenn: i believe i have seen his apron in mount vernon. >> he has an apron but he would not allow stuff painted as a mason. a guy tried to paint him and he said no way. >> glenn: but he had the rituals -- >> no. because the rituals didn't come in until later. 1825 is when the rituals appeared. so there were three simple degrees, no oaths, no rituals, whatever. that came in 1813 ...

George washington laying in the cornerstone. he was wearing the apron and everything else. what do you mean there -- >> done in 1976. the painting, the one in the capital of washington laying the cornerstone. there were some in 1840s and '50s. >> glenn: i believe i have seen his apron in mount vernon. >> he has an apron but he would not allow stuff painted as a mason. a guy tried to paint him and he said no way. >> glenn: but he had the rituals -- >> no. because the rituals didn't come in until later. 1825 is when the rituals appeared. so there were three simple degrees, no oaths, no rituals, ...

>> glenn: we were just challenging each other, i said do you have an answer to something and he said yeah, and erin, our floor manager says he has an answer to everything. really? oh, we're going to find out. i'm going to have him back and we'll challenge him! let me go to -- it's steven, right? steven. your question? >> did the free masons influence george washington and do they still have an influence to this day? >> free masons had an influence on george washington but not what we think of today. there is a big difference between the two. free masonry today is not what it was at the time of...

>> glenn: we were just challenging each other, i said do you have an answer to something and he said yeah, and erin, our floor manager says he has an answer to everything. really? oh, we're going to find out. i'm going to have him back and we'll challenge him! let me go to -- it's steven, right? steven. your question? >> did the free masons influence george washington and do they still have an influence to this day? >> free masons had an influence on george washington but not what we think of today. there is a big difference between the two. free masonry today is not what it was at the time of...

Something and he said yeah, and erin, our floor manager says he has an answer to everything. really? oh, we're going to find out. i'm going to have him back and we'll challenge him! let me go to -- it's steven, right? steven. your question? >> did the free masons influence george washington and do they still have an influence to this day? >> free masons had an influence on george washington but not what we think of today. there is a big difference between the two. free masonry today is not what it was at the time of washington. introduced in america in 1734. washington entered what were called...