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Happening in cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, china, north korea. >> right, but that's not -- >> when we look at it from a positive angle? i mean, i think there is another angles of the story. of course, that -- >> but no one's actually trying to vote what's happening in cuba or china or nicaragua, where does trying to get a vote done on the speaker of the house. >> of course, and i agree with you. and i would like to get that done by tomorrow morning. and i know that is not happening. but it does not matter. it's part of democracy. this happened in 1855, and you know, it took three months for a sp...

It's history. joining me now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. i love a worm hole and that was my favorite today. it has happened before, but what i would love for you to talk about is when those -- when these narrow, narrow majorities happen, and there's a contentious vote for speaker, what tends to happen to the party that wins? >> well, in the old days, you know, they could go on just as you were saying, joy, like 1855, 1856, it went over new year's, and they could go on for two months. they could have 133 ballots because there wasn't modern press coverage and i would gu...

Unprecedented time. in your opening, you discussed what happened in 1855. the last time this happened was in 1923. and so we really have not seen many times in american history. and it is not a coincidence that there are times of division, times of extraordinary strife, disenfranchisement and inequality. and i think that these are things that the republican caucus is very much contending with. i also want to note that some of the requests made by these republican holdouts are also small d democratic nature in terms of the rules of the house. over a very long period of time, the concentration o...

And as i told you last night, until the speaker is elected, cheryl johnson is the boss of the house, as she demonstrated today. >> the house be in order. will the house be in order? >> and she got the house in order, more effectively than any republican could, until there is a speaker of the house, clerk, cheryl johnson, now has the power to quote, preserve order and decorum and decide all questions of order. that means anything not decided by a vote of the house will be decided by cheryl johnson until a speaker is elected. if this goes the way it did in 1855, cheryl johnson could be in charge...

Hands. and if he chooses to approach the democratic caucus, then that would be a negotiation in and of itself for a potential coalition government. but again, this is very much unprecedented time. in your opening, you discussed what happened in 1855. the last time this happened was in 1923. and so we really have not seen many times in american history. and it is not a coincidence that there are times of division, times of extraordinary strife, disenfranchisement and inequality. and i think that these are things that the republican caucus is very much contending with. i also want to note that s...