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If the standard is anyone who says with sincerity what happened to them, then it's true. then every single candidate running for office from now until the end of time will be disqualified because there will be people who accuse them. all i'm saying is this. the president has reframed the debate and said if someone denies it, you have to at least respect that. you may disagree but i think a lot of the country says, hey, we do have a system that balances that. then the president turned the argument towards there is policy judgments that will take place. they are going to vote for wall funding on...

Think this provides the president some political cover now to give this backing to roy moore? >> well, that's a fair description, john, in some ways. i guess i hadn't thought of it that way, but can i agree with jackie on one thing? i talked to a senator yesterday, two days ago, who said the ethics committee hasn't expelled anyone from the senate since 1862. this guy told me, because both were missouri senators. so if moore wins, he's going to be in the senate. john, i think you're right. i think there's one thing people are not hearing the president say. i think it's kind of important. it's t...

However, this is a special election. it can be all about the turnout. so if democrats turnout in the masses and democrats say i don't know what to do, and turned off by roy moore and i do not want to book a democrat, i guess i will stay home. then i guess jones will win. it is really a coin toss at this point. again, he is a little time on his side, roy moore, to see if he can rebuild support. or it can work against him because maybe roy moore will have more organizations surface. anything can happen in the coming days.if he does win he faces another hurdle. he comes to washington where they a...

Serious moment of reckoning for members of both parties. i's not going end. this is unique. if you look at hollywood as a moral compass and they acted very quickly, they could be criticized. they could cover up allegations for decades. look what happened to kevin spacey and others. book contacts and movies canceled. to amanda's point, this was taken. this is not a court of law, it's about what st right and morally right. are you going to be the moral compass for the country or delay it or try to work around it to preserve your friendships and your number of members in the house and senate? >> ...

When it came to seating a member, if a member is elected, there is no choice. you got to seat the member. when it comes to expulsion, if they do move to expel and moore wanted to challenge it in court, that could get interesting, because these are actions that preceded his election to the u.s. senate. there are some legal theories on this that you can only expel for actions that actually occurred while somebody was in the senate or while somebody was in thousand. this is unexplored legal terrain. we haven't had an actual expulsion since 1862. certainly there is a difference right now it seems ...