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today isjonathan shapiro, best known by his pen name zapiro. he is south africa's most prominent and controversial political cartoonist. so amid all of its troubles, is south africa able to laugh at itself? jonathan shapiro, better known by your pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. it is a great pleasure to meet you and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago, you said moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist. you have been at this cartooning for four decades. can you maintain outrage forfour four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. outrage ...

For you, africa. whether certain things foryou, because africa. whether certain things for you, because of your background, that were always off—limits? particularly i think of the persona and the personality of nelson mandela himself was he somebody that for you as a cartoonist, whatever outrage you were feeling, you would never really go for the jugular with go for thejugular with mandela? go for the 'ugular with mandela?_ go for the 'ugular with mandela? ., ., ., mandela? not true. i would go for the mandela? not true. i would go forthejugular. _ mandela? not true. i would go for the jugu...

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