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>> president trump has repeatedly said the era of catch and release has ended, that is exactly what is happening in texas right now. it all comes against the backdrop of the government shutdown over president trump's demand for a border wall that he says could send the flow of illegal immigration. some conservative commentators have pointed out that many democrats supported the 2,002,006 act, the 2 thousand mile border with mexico and the 2013 immigration reform bill that called for 700 miles of pedestrian fencing. consensus as we know, almost impossible to find right now. it is physically and...

People, and they have some connection to what we believe is terrorist activity that threatens the u.s., but there are those who critics who have seen this said there's a lot of latitude, a lot of gray area. it's how you define these things and who gets to make those decisions about how they're defined. do you think there will be intense criticism and questioning from the main stream media about this as you faced? >> well, obviously not. the media was hypocritical and callow and coordinately when they took on -- cowardly when they took these people on. they did so because it was george w. bush,...