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This is a fascinating litmus test that it seems that more ofç them are popping up it seems among the conservative activist community like this one. >> it is interesting, chuck, and i think one of the interesting things is that you find sarah palin and newt gingrich on the same page on this one. in a number of the races where they have both taken a position over the last year or so, they have been on opposite sides, significantly in that new york special election last year. and so, here you have a situation i think where both of these potential 2012 candidates have a similar base that they are...

Energy. they are going after similar kinds of voters. on this kind of an issue, they are trying to make it a test. in some ways, perhaps, dare the other 2012ers to stake a stand. >> i'm supposed to wrap. but how seriously do you buy that newt gingrich is looking at a presidential run? >> semiserious? >> and where do you put sarah pale snn. >> i think she's going to do it. >> dan, where are you in your reporting and seeing what you're seeing in the way these two candidates interact, level of seriousness? >> i think newt gingrich is very serious about looking at it. i don't know where sarah pali...

After some scuffles between reporters and some of his private security but what do we make of it? >> right. well, it's interesting. if they're using the excuse that it's about reporters, that is an interesting precedent to set. but you do know in talking with the secret service they have a very low bar. >> right. >> for this protection. i mean, if a candidate requests and it's a major candidate, you know, not sort of a gad fly but somebody who is performing well in the polls, they are going to acquiesce to that request. they have a pretty large budget. this is fairly late in the cycle for the ...

I think really that reflects upon what the debate was. it turned very ugly toward the end. this culture of dysfunction really permeated through i think not only here in the capitol hill, buttal the white house to where a lot of folks around the country, talking to folks who came and visited the capitol here, what is heck is going on here? no one really wants to embrace this in the sense we avoided default. that's great. this is not our finest moment as a nation. >> at any point do you get the sense that certain senators are being allowed to vote no because they need to politically. i saw orin ...