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It was a sociological on how people treating each other between the kings and the queens and the commoners. it built this society where image and politics where everyone is part of the royals and you have to listen to the king, people have independent, kind of contractual relationships with each other. the chest board became this metaphor of that transition to medieval society to early renaissance. it helps us kind of think through that problem. >> you point out europeans at some point gets fascinated in 16/17th century by spices. what's the consequences of that? >> it is aeceven older story a...

Very clear. >> the concern i'm expressing is one of polls come to different conclusions. and maybe someone can say, rick perry, he's pretty good tv. he had that oops moment last cycle. we want him on the stage neck and neck with governor kasich. maybe we go for a poll that shows perry running ahead of kasich. how do you prevent against that? >> well, i mean the first thing i would say, and this is truth for both the case of fox and cnn, right now this cycle we suffer from an abundance of riches. we have 16/17 candidates of great stature. in past cycles there would have been a lot of people lef...

Popping up everywhere. one of the things that police officers told us is not only is this an active fire situation because there are 17 fires active right now, they are so stretched thin they want us to know there are looters as well. and as we came into this area, they wanted us to know we're on our own should anything happen because of that fact they are trying to case people out of here at the same time keep people safe. this is one of those situations when you stand here and realize how much has destroyed, you get the idea why everybody's so thin. >> did you say there's zero percent contai...