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Particular case -- are you saying they were conspiring with the white house? >> what i know, anderson, is that the president very publicly demanded a result, and the office of the inspector general delivered that result. i know they struggled to do so. some of the documents we have been able to review in the last few months are clearly indicating that. but the president desired that i be gone before i could be eligible to retire. the office of the inspector general rushed to get that done on time. one of the many ways. >> essentially, you're saying they were doing the president's bidding on th...

Been able to review in the last few months are clearly indicating that. but the president desired that i be gone before i could be eligible to retire. the office of the inspector general rushed to get that done on time. one of the many ways. >> essentially, you're saying they were doing the president's bidding on this. >> do i think there was inappropriate command influence, political influence on the ultimate outcome? absolutely, i think that. >> you talk about a meeting with the gang of eight, the group of congressional leaders who are briefed on intelligence matters. in this meeting, you in...

Trying to explain himself and explain that's he's only the lawyer for the president and not the lawyer for paul manafort so can't speak for anybody who worked on the trump campaign, but this is a huge distraction and potentially a perilous problem for the president. >> let's listen to what donald trump actually said about this. we've been making references to the president and what he said about his involvement in russia. let's listen to a bit of it. >> i have nothing to do with russia to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. i have no investments in russia. none whatsoeve...

Explain that's he's only the lawyer for the president and not the lawyer for paul manafort so can't speak for anybody who worked on the trump campaign, but this is a huge distraction and potentially a perilous problem for the president. >> let's listen to what donald trump actually said about this. we've been making references to the president and what he said about his involvement in russia. let's listen to a bit of it. >> i have nothing to do with russia to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. i have no investments in russia. none whatsoever. i don't have property in ru...

Office buildings in moscow. i don't have property in russia. and i am in very -- i'm in total compliance in every way. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. >> okay. barbara mcquade, that's january, february, may of 2017. obviously, the president wasn't under oath, but he was the president of the united states and he kept on saying all of this. tell me what the legal jeopardy is of the president having deliberately misled people both prior to and subsequent to the election? >> you know, generally it's not a crime to make public statem...