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2018. probably $1 trillion, maybe more. their bet is enough long-term growth on the corporate side by cutting the rate 10% that it doesn't matter. so we add, say, $50 billion a year for ten years. longer term, over 20, 30 years, we have a better corporate tax code, bigger paychecks. that's a big bet. but we are going to have higher debt and deficit over ten years. there's no way around it. >> so you've got fiscal conservatives that have always cared about debt and deficit and they may not care now but your average american often doesn't care. they don't like when you talk about the deficit. th...

Do they have a message. are they articulating a message that is going to attract voters in that part of the country. one of the challenges democrats have going into the 2018 cycle is a question of what their core message is going to be. was the message that they had in 2016 one that's going to be effective in 2018. probably not. what are they going to do there? and then the question really around these mid-term elections comes down to intensity. what is the intensity of the democratic voter base and the progressive voter base versus the intensity of the conservative voter base. one of the chal...

He became the leader of the second nuclear power and the largest country on earth. he has more oil and gas in the ground in russia than the king saudi arabia. why do we get did the boy who has everything? an empire. >> what about the question you talk about him being 62 years old. when you see strong men around the world, when they hit a certain age, they start to look bizarrely young. i'm going to put him in that category. there's no wrinkles on his face. he does what he needs to do to look young and viral. why does he do this? all jokes aside. >> well, i think he believes that russia, a coun...

Why does he do this? >> well, i think he believes that russia, a country where the average life expectancy for men is, drum beat, 62, he needs to look young. so that he can get re-elected. and he already dropped more than a hint that he's running again in 2018. probably the majority of the population of russia support this invasion of the crimea. and the crimea is a part of a different country of a neighboring country. and all this historic stuff about who it belonged to before is irrelevant to the fact that this is a violation of international law. and mr. putin is a lawyer by his training, n...