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To be done with a physical wall or can you use a combination of other -- >> yet, there are places. there's got to be a wall. it doesn't have to be 202,100 miles but there are places, hundreds of miles, we redo needed and that needs to be done, and we saw in '86, if you put border security and amnesty legalization in the same bill, you will get the amnesty every time and you will never get the border security. so we have got to not put the cart before the horse or we are going to run this cart and for us right off the cliff. >> shannon: we know that you're not alone. there were many on the righ...

To be done with a physical wall or can you use a combination of other -- >> yet, there are places. there's got to be a wall. it doesn't have to be 202,100 miles but there are places, hundreds of miles, we redo needed and that needs to be done, and we saw in '86, if you put border security and amnesty legalization in the same bill, you will get the amnesty every time and you will never get the border security. so we have got to not put the cart before the horse or we are going to run this cart and for us right off the cliff. >> shannon: we know that you're not alone. there were many on the righ...