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Members of the movement. writer barton gelman noted that trump and some of his allies, tucker carlson of fox news notably among them, have taught theorists that black and brown people were coming to replace them. according to the latest projections, white people will become the minority nationally in 2045. joining me more with more on this aspect of january 6 is kath katherine bleu, author of "bring the war home." welcome, kathy. >> thank you, pamela. >> what are we underestimating about the signs and goals of this movement? >> one of the things to remember as we ask these very important que...

Early that it's green. nucleur has never been green and it's not labelled green. but the commission's proposal indeed is putting certain activities on gas and nuclear in their sustainable financing, and they call it transitional, which is a big problem, because they assume that this can be investment in nuclear until 2045 and for gas until after 2030, and you can hardly call it transitional, it isjust locking us in for decades to come in a very unsustainable energy system. do you think these proposals are going to go through? because we are seeing obviously already a lot of controversy around ...

2045. and one of the things that we've seen throughout history outside the united states is that the groups that tend to start civil wars are not the poorest groups. they're not the immigrants. they're not the groups that are actually the most down trot. they're the groups that feel like they're losing power and have a deep sense of resentment and feel like the country is rightfully theirs. they're the ones that still have the residual power capable of organizing and launching a challenge and if you look historically, if you look for example at the palestinians in israel, you know, if you look...

Dominance. is that what we were seeing on january 6th? >> yes. the u.s. is in the midst of this great transformation. it is the transformation of the u.s. being a white majority country to a non-white majority country. like in 2045. and in history, and inside the united states, it's that the groups are not the poorest groups, not the immigrants and the most down trodden, it is the groups that are losing power. they have a deep sense of resentment. they are the ones who feel like the country is rightfully theirs. they are the ones who still have the residual power and are capable of organizing ...

2045. we're the first white majority country to go through this transition, but canada is going to come after us, new zealand is going to be next, australia is going to be next. it's estimated by 2000, the and a subset of the population here, this is deeply, deeply threatening, and they, the extremists in that group are willing to turn to violence to maintain their hold on power. they seek the united states as a white christian country, and they feel like they're justified to fight to maintain it. one last thing. we know who tends to start civil wars. most people think it's the poorest groups ...