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Heart disease you have the chance and you want a 2nd and 3rd opinion and find out the medical therapies and way to go rather than getting this... >> eric: you used the term "cabbage." what is that. >> a cardiac bypass and it is basically they open the chest and use vessels from the lower extremities or legs to bypass the areas... >> jamie: last resort. let me ask you before we go. people are sitting at home with stents in their body and heart and think, goodness, what if i didn't need them, can you check to make sure you still need them? they come out. >> you will not remove the stent, once it...

That and obviously, they're not here to defend themselves so i'll have to do that. what they say is 20,000 jobs number is dubious at best and that the only independent study that hasn't been conducted by the petroleum institute would have created between 500 and 1400 jobs not 20,000. what do you say, because it turns out the petroleum institute in their independent study found that number. what do you say to the jobs number. >> first of all, everybody con througheded that it creates jobs. we can argue that 20,000, 50,000, 10,000, the bottom line, it's a job creator so i think we should be for ...

>> alisyn: you say 20,000 jobs, the estimation of trans canada who obviously creates the pipeline. the state department uses other numbers, 5,000 to 6,000 direct jobs, but many of those temporary. do you think that that should weigh in the president's calculation 0en this? >> alisyn, what's important about this conversation, everyone concludes it will create jobs and at a time over 8% unemployment in this country with close to 25 million people, unemployed or underemployed, any job creating opportunity needs to be look at seriously. and so, whether it's 10,000, 20,000, 50,000, these are new am...

>> alisyn: you say 20,000 jobs, the estimation of trans canada who obviously creates the pipeline. the state department uses other numbers, 5,000 to 6,000 direct jobs, but many of those temporary. do you think that that should weigh in the president's calculation 0en this? >> alisyn, what's important about this conversation, everyone concludes it will create jobs and at a time over 8% unemployment in this country with close to 25 million people, unemployed or underemployed, any job creating opportunity needs to be look at seriously. and so, whether it's 10,000, 20,000, 50,000, these are new am...

Measures put into place. it's not unusual for hackers to try to get into financial websites, and what usually happens is they're slowed down. what happened in this case is unusual because the hackers were able to get into the internal system with the nasdaq and that's one of the most important stock exchanges. >> the markets have a rally today. can you give us a sense of what's behind it? >> we are having a rally, the dow up 84 points. you can see it's good old fashioned mergers and acquisitions, there are two oil drillers merging, and a 7 billion dollar deal in the manufacturing sector, and w...