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Doesn't really serve enone's interests. >> just so everybody understands. i.c.e. targets and the most national threats, border safety account for a high share of the removals under president obama and we have the numbers out for 2016. i.c.e. removed a total of 240,255 people. so, robert, stephen miller reportedly the driving force behind a number of the different executive orders or the travel ban. some people would say he's young, inexperienced conservative although he did work with jeff sessions. what is your influence? >> because you're young and conservative doesn't mean you're qualified t...

Right thing. i am hoping that we do it now. >> when president obama ran on that in '08 and in 2012, won the white house both times. it is an overwhelming issue, and we tried to have the bipartisan gang of eight work on this -- marco rubio of florida as one of the leaders trying to make immigration, comprehensive immigration reform work. just looking at the i.c.e. website today and the totals out from what we saw in 2016, i.c.e. removed a total of 240,255 aliens, a 2% increase over 2015. but meanwhile, we counterbalance news with what's taking place with the travel ban. how do you think that th...