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That money. >> last question, you implied what fox was likely to sort of stick with the way things are. is that what they want to do or will they look long-term to something like conan o'brien in the future? >> i think they're really disappointed not to get conan. the entertainment side is disappointed. they thought this was an opportunity to get a big established star. they can't put a nonestablished star in there and they're thinking late night may never happen for them as a network show. >> bill carter from eugene, oregon, where he's going to be at the first conan o'brien comedy tour night....

Those sitcoms are not identifiable particularly right now, but let's face it basic cable is making more money than network now, they have two revenue streams and they'll use that money. >> yes, we are. last question -- you implied what fox was likely to sort of stick with the way things are. is that what they want to do or will they look long-term to something like conan o'brien in the future? >> i think they're really disappointed not to get conan. the entertainment side is disappointed. they thought this was an opportunity to get a big established star. they can't put a nonestablished star i...

Ambitious, and let's face it, basic cable is making more money than network now, they have two revenue streams and they'll use that money. >> yes, we are. last question, you implied at the beginning what fox was likely to sort of stick with the way things are. is that what they want to do or will they look long-term to something like conan o'brien in the future? >> i think they're really disappointed not to get conan. the entertainment side is disappointed. they thought this was an golden opportunity to get a big established star. they can't put a nonestablished star in there and they're think...