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Interesting, he's pushing some of these ideas that other candidates were not putting on the 25ib8, like a vtable like a tax. all the debate about what's winnable, electable, but part of a primary is to help a party formulate what that party will run on. to the extent this is supposed to be about issues this is how we're getting to the issues. two candidates will join us tomorrow on "up." former congressman john delaney will be with us at the table in new york. he's trying to land a spot in the third debate. and the former governor of massachusetts, bill weld will join us. it looks like the fie...

If you think about it, if we allow that kind of illegal immigration over the next ten years, every five years we have to have another reg began amnesty. we have to start legalizing everybody five years. i don't want to have to be here ten years from now debating this issue again. >> let me bring in our panel for a little analysis. bill, i want to ask. part of this is about immigration reform and the specific policy choices in and around reform, but i also think what's happening here is exemplary within the larger cleat where you have some folks who are moderate, willing to come to the table, a...