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Inversely proportional to his actual political peril. and donald trump has survived far worse than what we've seen him go through this week. >> and jeremy makes a good point. i talked to trump advisories -- anita, i'm sorry, in and out of the white house all the time. and they're alarmed by the kind of things cork sees up close. they're alarmed by how he handles himself in office. i have actually not heard anyone really sort of gaming out a strategy for the 25th amendment or for impeachment. >> haven't heard a word of that. i will say this week on monday clearly after the plea agreement came o...

In this. that san important insight. but jeremy peters is absolutely right. there isn't going to be any 25th amendment. this guy is not going anywhere. on the other hand, there's a lot of reasons to believe this will get worse. that "vanity fair" article you referenced also describes the president who is still talking to roger stone and to steve bannon. okay, so we have the voices from crazy town, and apparently has become very disillusioned with jared kushner. so you have someone right now who is increasingly isolated from the country, from his own political party and within his own white hou...

Than the other things like the 25th amendment, they view those things largely out of their control. but when the president spends eight days and can't let go of a fight with a gold star widow or when general kelly sort of gets dragged into a fight about monuments, it's those things they view particularly the national security folks and not just through the white house, they view that in the category itself of inflicted wounds. >> the donald trump presidency is not the staff, the cabinet. steve bannon is wrong and right in this. that san important insight. but jeremy peters is absolutely right....

Incredible work we have done in the criminal justice system, in bringing to justice these terrorisms, just doesn't seem to register with the president of the united states. >> add it to the list. vivian, did you want to get in a a last word? >> also you risk alienating communities and hurting communities. this diversity visa program has been beneficial foration and african imgrnlts as well. so you're ailulating those immigrants and others as well. so it has huge implications all around. coming up, steve bannon worried trump could be losing his grip on power and that he may not survive a 25th...

Reform looks like it's in trouble, too. so we'll see, but it's really make-or-break on tax reform. so there are a lot of other things on his plate, tweeting as well which is not really popular. so he's got to worry about a lot of other things. it's not just the investigation. >> and charlie, something that really demoralizes them, more than the other things like the 25th amendment, they view those things largely out of their control. but when the president spends eight days and can't let go of a fight with a gold star widow or when general kelly sort of gets dragged into a fight about monument...