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Idea to meet with a foreign government inside the trump tower on the 25th floor with no lawyers. even if you thought this was not treasonous or unpatriotic, i happen to think it is all of that, you should have called the fbi immediately. do you understand why he says that? >> there was a campaign chairman in that meeting. jared kushner was in that meeting. people say shouldn't i have known? shouldn't they have known? >> do you think president trump knew about the meeting? >> i don't know if he knew or didn't, but it was taking place in his conference room with his campaign chair sitting and at...

>> the reason why those ring true is because we've been hearing the same thing over and over for years now. these are not new terms, it's not new to say he has the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader. we heard that before the campaign. we heard that before he was running for the white house. if he fires john kelly, if he fires members of his cabinet, there are very limited number of people who are willing to come in and take that place other than the 25th floor of trump tower. there's a very limited number of people who would be qualified for that job to take those spots. >> part of the p...

Theme which is it's not what happens, it's how donald trump reacts to what happens that causes the trouble. that is really the challenge every white house, i don't care what people say, every white house has had officials in it that have sought to do something different than what the president says. that's not the problem here, the problem is how donald trump reacts. >> does the president need to assert publicly, though, that he's in charge? i mean, look at the number of people that crit -- i want to put this up here. the chief of staff is quoted as calling him an idiot, the defense secretary ...

Question is, is he better off formalizing an arrangement. >> it does feel as if -- it is -- this is the 25th floor of trump tower, that basically the operation is back to being a one-man operation, where different factions are in, and have power for a small period of time, until they don't. >> yeah, and this is just a different version of that same story. there's another die nam ck here, too, that's interesting, the degree to which this op-ed is being used within the west wing among people to discredit other staffers they don't like. watch for that to play out too in the next few days. >> watc...

Businessman and donald trump, despite what he says, we haven't seen his tax returns, we don't know how successful he is. so i think a part of this is just being jealous about jeff bay soefs having this record success. >> and it is would be thione th talked a lot about this. this is the donald trump of new york, that new yorkers got used to dealing with, the things that tiffany is talking about, pushing around local officials, thinking he can buy off officials to get what he wants. bei lobbying to not put sprinklers above the 25th floor. and taking that to washington. it is interesting to me th...