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>> -- describing this to rachel in the last hour, the president's inability to understand how things actually work in the world trade organization and why it generally works so much to the united states' advantage. let's listen to that. >> when confronted with evidence -- for instance, there is a scene in the book where he starts talking about the world trade organization, which is an organization that actually gives us great leverage if there is unfair trade practice in the world. and he said, this is the worst organization in the world and the advisors who are experts in there say, no. and t...

Each one is different and unique. some similarities, some differences. i think the key in examining trump is actually what will he do when people present him with facts? for instance, it sounds a little esoteric, but the world trade organization, which the united states is a member of, very important, allows us to file complaints of unfair trade practices. and there's a meeting in the oval office and the president says, well, the world trade organization is the worst organization ever. we lose all of our cases. and they present data -- pardon? >> i didn't know we actually whip most of our case...

I worry in particular about the emotionally overwrought part of it. do you mean by that he is out of control? >> no, i mean by when confronted with evidence. for instance, there is a scene in the book where he starts talking about the world trade organization, which is an organization that actually gives us great leverage if is unfair trade practice in the world. and he said this is the worst organization in the world and the advisers who are experts in there saying no. and trump says, well, we lose our cases there. and they bring out the document, no, we win 85.7% of the cases, not just 85%, ...

>> and, david marinas, the president seems incapable of being embarrassed at the exposure of his own ignorance in those scenes. >> you know, that was so classic bob woodward, the 85.7%. you know, he's relentless -- he's very cautious, never getting ahead of the facts, but relentless in the pursuit of them. but yes, there have been a few politicians in the modern age who seem incapable of embarrassment or guilt, and donald trump in this book time and time again comes through in that fashion. >> and, tim, the donald trump that you've seen, as we've said, seems to be -- this seems to be just the ...

Some differences. i think the key in examination trump, what will he do when people present him with facts. the world trade organization, which the united states is a member of, very important. allows us to file complaints of unfair trade practices. and there's a meeting in the oval office, and the president says, well, the world trade organization is the worst organization ever. we lose all our cases and they present data -- >> i said, no, no, we actually win most of our cases there. >> like 85.7% of them. not just 85% but 85.7%. he says, no, that's not true.