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For real, this isn't going to work. he shoots at the top, stays stable. ben carson gets sort of drowned out. i'm sure for many in the republican establishment, they would prefer the person surging in this poll was not ben carson, because he's not exactly their idea. but here's what it demonstrates. ben carson has got a momentum and energy to this campaign that defies so much of what has been defined and written about. what we are supposed to see, what is supposed to happen. and it's sort of to this point where you have to say let's see where this goes. >> what has happened for trump, he's obvi...

Me is that governor kasich is third in his own state behind two outsiders, and even governor bush in florida, his state, you know, he's way behind. he's not doing particularly well in his state. >> well, look, right now there is a lot of attention on the outsiders. we'll see how much longer that lasts. i think it's going to last through the primaries. but let's put it in perspective. if you take a look at these numbers -- for example, donald trump in the real, clear politics average of polls peaked on the 19th of november -- excuse me, the 19th of september. he was at 30.5% in real clear polit...

The race, people said he's not for real, this isn't going to work. he shoots at the top, stays stable. ben carson gets sort of drowned out. i'm sure for many in the republican establishment, they would prefer the person surging in this poll was not ben carson, because he's not exactly their idea. but here's what it demonstrates. ben carson has got a momentum and energy to this campaign that defies so much of what has been defined and written about. what we are supposed to see, what is supposed to happen. and it's sort of to this point where you have to say let's see where this goes. >> what ha...