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London bridge and borough market, places in which -- look. . in all of these major cities there are some security. there are cameras. there are police around. in a private mall there is hired security but essentially these are soft targets. >> that's kpvl right. and the reality with terrorists, those two corner stones of an attack having two structures, one is the actual i can net aik and one is terror. from 9/11 to using planes to we saw in paris to this, to -- to the idea first we're going to recruit penal to come here. now we're going to send them to syria. now wire going to use homegrown p...

You? >> we were firstly about ten meters away from the van. i don't think the police knew where to send us to start. they were just screaming us to get away. we went south down tooley street. more and more police were coming -- this was before it was cordoned. we could see five or six police cars and met the police. we had helicopters. there was a lot of confusion at the start but after 20 minutes, we were cordoned offer into this safe space, we think, but you never know, do you? >> it was saturday night 10:00 you were there. what was the area like outside london bridge tube station? was it an...