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Room, but they'd have little recourse to prevent mueller from going off script and reveal details of his investigation that the white house considers off limits. that basically because they're not going to put people in the room to muzzle him, they have been extensively meeting -- >> how can they do that? >> they've been meeting with him saying everything that is not in the report proper is presumptively privileged. what is going on here? >> the d.o.j. has been 3450meet with mueller beforehand? >> they've been telling his people maybe through intermediaries, they've been telling him extensivel...

That we've seen this many times where a lot of the staff just sort of think, okay, well he's the president and we have to go along with what he says but they're not necessarily -- i wouldn't say totally on board. >> so secretary of state mike pompeo, josh, encouraged the dialogue with putin. i'm curious about the significance of cabinet level support for this and as was suggested to me by a guest on the show earlier today, this is because the president wants a do-over. he's seen just the extraordinary backlash from both sides of the aisle to what happened in helsinki and that he wants to maybe...