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Administration for eight years. so what has suddenly changed to make the democrats suddenly dislike these companies? >> well, -- the obama administration may have liked them. but i don't think elizabeth warren is being inconsistent in her criticism of them. this is what she does. she's been on this for a while. i don't think we need to break them up, paul and i don't think we need to turn them into public utilities either. the problem with breaking them up is the economies of scale they have make them so effective, 345eub make them so successful and breaking them up will jeopardize that. paul:...

Administration for eight years. so what has suddenly changed to make the democrats suddenly dislike these companies? >> well, -- the obama administration may have liked them. but i don't think elizabeth warren is being inconsistent in her criticism of them. this is what she does. she's been on this for a while. i don't think we need to break them up, paul and i don't think we need to turn them into public utilities either. the problem with breaking them up is the economies of scale they have make them so effective, 345eub make them so successful and breaking them up will jeopardize that. paul:...