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We had to live within our means as a nation. we have to do it. and so we'll see if he is serious about it but, from what he said at the state of the union, he made no reference to entitlements, and no real -- no commitment to reduced discretionary spending. if you don't do that, we're in a -- we're continuing in an unsustainable course. >> shannon: i heard from folks testifying from the hill this week doug elmendorf said the same thing urging members from both sides of the aisle to be serious and no good outlooks without major changes. he said you have to be careful in the way that you do it. ...

That's what the congressional democrats and the white house say. $3.5 trillion. he's right. 3,500 billion. the committee for responsible budget, which is a respected bipartisan group has looked at the gimmicks written in this bill so far, written in the measure so far that is called the american jobs plan. their estimate is that the minimum cost is between $5 and 5.5 trillion when you get the gimmicks out of it. to keep the costs down, they'll say we set up a welfare benefit and it's only going to last eight years or only going to last five years or we're going to start raising the money for i...