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Saying, unless you stick a gun to people's heads and force them to buy insurance that they don't want, and that they can't afford, then they're going to lose their insurance. how are you doing a favor to somebody forcing them to buy insurance they don't want, robert risch? >> steve moore, you are a good friend, but you are absolutely full of baloney with regard to all of this. the major problem here is that you're eliminating taxes. you're appealing taxes on the rich. something on the order of 3$365 billion of taxes that would have gone to subsidizing health care. once you give that big tax cu...

Snooping. and you say that foreign surveillance is absolutely necessary. tell us what the balance is here. because a lot of people are looking at that and they think the nsa, the obama administration, went too far in terms of its own spying, its own snooping on allies and neighbors and that kind of thing. but there is that pushback in that sense for need for privacy. >> reporter: here's the part i think people don't understand. the international context. so let me give you an example. the nuclear -- the national nuclear administration, that is the american agency, the government agency, that o...

What happened. >> hi answerly. the u.s. department of health and human services estimates it improperly spent more than $65 billion in tax payer funds in 2013 including roughly 60 billion in payments to medicare and medicaid. according to the department's fiscal year 2013 financial report last year's total of $365 billion of erroneous payments is up and hhs estima n 64.3 billion of the payments were related to medicare or medicaid. while both of those anythings include under payments the majority were over payments. we are talking $59.6 billion. what caused all of these improper payments? when...

Of admiration. you know, the government is particularly ill at ease right now. especially over the recent military moves that president obama has ordered the troops to australia and the visits that u.s. officials have been making to southeast asian countries. they describe this as -- you know, they essentially say we wouldn't like to think that the u.s. is trying to encircle china, but we're not wild about this. by the same token, there's a realization that our two economies, two biggest economies in the world, they will be the two biggest economies in the world as least through my lifetime. a...

That's a given. but the fact is we should be clearly -- this is clear we should be looking at doing other resources because there's two scenarios here. one is that oil is finite and the price is going to ramp very, very quickly. or two, price -- the oil is infinite and the fact is that to have india and china and demand is going to outstrip supply. so the price of oil is going up either way. why wouldn't we use this as a catalyst to start looking at clean energy? >> let me ask you -- go ahead. >> let me answer that. the answer is because even though oil is expensive it's much, much cheaper tha...