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That's the lesson of every last election including obama's last election. >> michael moore, you say he shouldn't go for those centrist voters. >> no, no. >> the ones who see themselves as centrist. not by your definition, theirs. >> i understand. again, according to all the recent polls the majority of independents want taxes raised on the rich. the majority of independents want these wars to end. the majority of independents are actually quite liberal on these issues. i agree with mark. most americans do not define themselves as liberal or conservative or democrat or republican. what they loo...

To do and back the bill clinton approach not the populist approach. what is your position? i need to know. where are you clarence? are you with bill clinton? clarence, when they write the headline after the election -- let's go back to your business. when they write the election report after the 2012 election and they said the president won by going to the center or the president won by going to the left and pushing a very populist agenda what will be the winning headline? that's all i'm asking. let's go to our business reporting on this. let's use the usual english language. will he be percei...

Msnbc, blogs, and just go talk to folks out there instead of being in this echo chamber, where the topic is constantly politics. it is much more difficult to get a conversation focused on how are we going to help people than a conversation about how is this going to help or hurt somebody politically? and that's part of what the american people are just sick of. >> so following along with the president, let's find out how it will help or hurt people politically. let's go to joan walsh. i want to know whether this guy is running the right kind of campaign. i'd like to see a good election next ti...

That is $2.5 trillion of tax increases. >> where is the other one from? there are two chunks of tax increases. $1.5 trillion in his jobs plan. and $1 trillion in the health care plan. next year 4.5% on all incomes. if you look at it, he is going into the election saying, hey. sure i'm going to raise taxes more on the wealthy but fundamentally i'm standing for bigger government and more taxes and he's got to stand for more efficient government. along with environmental control. along with a lot of the social issues that he passionately believes in. but he's falling into the trap now. he's givin...