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How do you find people that don't want to be counted? details of efforts to coax hundreds of thousands of people out of the shadows. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." the pentagon is now taking steps to prepare for lifting the ban on gays serving openly in the united states military. the defense secretary robert gates tells the senate armed services committee a year long study is now under way that will contain an implementation plan for win congress repeals the law. the joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen says lifting the ban is a matter of integrity and, quote, the ri...

About 30% from the year before. in 2008, 619 people were kicked out. in 2009, the number was down to 428. tomorrow, for the first time since 1993, don't ask, don't tell will be debated at a congressional hearing. the senate armed services committee will hear testimony from defense secretary bob gates and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen. they are expected to lay out the pentagon's coming effort to end the ban. joining us now is democratic senator, kirsten gillibrand of new york. senator, thanks very much for coming in. it's nice to see you. >> my pleasure. >> nice...

Victory for the conservative base, but i have the sense that it sort of gets at the problems with congress to begin with, which is there's not a real bipartisan basis for legislators to come together. and i don't know if this is helpful going forward. >> all right. today defense secretary robert gates and admiral mike mullen are set to testify in a congressional hearing on the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. gates and mullen are expected to unveil the pentagon's initial plans for carrying out a repeal of the ban which requires an act of congress. according to the defense department, 4...

In 2009, the number was down to 428. tomorrow, for the first time since 1993, don't ask, don't tell will be debated at a congressional hearing. the senate armed services committee will hear testimony from defense secretary bob gates and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen. they are expected to lay out the pentagon's coming effort to end the ban. joining us now is democratic senator, kirsten gillibrand of new york. senator, thanks very much for coming in. it's nice to see you. >> my pleasure. >> nice to have you here. can you give us any sort of preview about what you...

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