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>> then we have to negotiate this. let's talk about the tickets for lunch at the white house tomorrow. i don't think you can buy that ticket. >> i would love to have a ticket for that one, yeah. fascinating. again, i do think talking about this at the top. i think this is in most ways largely symbolic because mitt romney isn't going to be a major player in the fiscal cliff negotiations. he's not someone with a big constituency in congress, and a andrea, but the last presidential nominee and a guy that got 47.5% of the vote and lot letting it linger and reporters say, are you going to talk to m...

Polls giquestionable. wall street journal and nbc in ohio had a 6-point lead for obama, but 9 points more democrats than republican, meaning the turnout for democrats would be more enthusiastic than 20 08. national poll, use the average of 10 polls, take all 22 polls as of midnight last night, romney leads in 12, obama leads in 4, tied in 6. romney is at or above 50% in 3 and in the average, 48.2 to 47.5, that's pretty darn close. but you get a sense underneath a strength for romney that might be expressed against an incumbent. an incumbent doesn't get much more than the final poll. >> i think...

Of them showing the president leading. in the face of that, the sea of blue, why does the romney campaign see that they're going to win in the face of that. >> they're looking at the intensity numbers and the fact that the president on the ballot is at 47.5, 48.1, 48.2 in state after state. i think that's at the real danger point. if you're at 49 or 50, that's a very different deal. at that 47 or 48 number, romney campaign believes the numbers are going to break for them on election day. >> do you think that? >> i think there's a chance. i wouldn't be surprised. i think with my head, i look at...

Is at 47.5, 48.1, 48.2 in state after state. i think that's at the real danger point. if you're at 49 or 50, that's a very different deal. at that 47 or 48 number, romney campaign believes the numbers are going to break for them on election day. >> do you think that? >> i think there's a chance. i wouldn't be surprised. i think with my head, i look at all the polls, i look at the totality of the polls, and it's clear in the totality of the polling the president has the lead. i also know if that lead is at 47, 48, it's a race, anything could happen going into election day. this is as close a pr...

Seeing the leaks about paul ryan's future in this we didn't want you, we want ed when you look at the swing state polls overall, why does the romney campaign see that they are going to win even in the face of that? >> they are looking at two things. they are looking at the intensity numbers and the fact that the president on the ballot is at 47.5, 48.1, 48.2 in state after state. and i think that's at the real danger point. if you're at 49, you're at 50, it's a very different -- that's a very different deal. at that 47, 48 number, romney campaign believes the numbers are going to break for the...