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Why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance? >> well, if possession is 9/10 of the law, and i certainly think it is, millions of americans aren't going to give up their new insurance any time soon. joan walsh is editor at large for the solon and michael steele. joan, it looked like a victory lap, fair enough. that's what it was. the numbers, when you beat the spread, you cheer. that's what happened today, they beat the spread. >> you cheer and you say we've got more work to do. certainly people want to get more people signed up. but really, when you look at what the r...

>> let me go back to joan here. politically, i go back to what we all cooked up here, which is that old phrase, possession is 9/10 of the law. once you have it in hand, it's like golda meir once said. new fax. new fax. it isn't about the theory of health care, it's about the reality. and i would think that's a stronger hand for the dems. michael, your thoughts. >> and i really appreciate michael saying we have to let people who have preexisting conditions keep their health insurance. but the three of us know and most of the american people know that to do that you require the individual mandat...

>> i do believe cbo is wrong here because most economists disagree. when you raise minimum wage it does not cut jobs. that is a fact. if you are worth more than the minimum wage to your employer you will make it. if you are not worth more you will lose your job or have hours cut. it is a mix bag. of course, it is going to help some people. if it is $9.10 an hour and you are worth $9.11 to your employer you got a raise. if you are worth $8.10 you will lose your job. it is basic economics. >> it is basic economics. >> 600 economists say they are wrong because they are using an outdated model. mu...

Coffee shop down the street, that's not competition for me. >> believe it or not, if someone can't find something here, i tell them to go to the jewelry store down the block. i want it to stay in town. why shouldn't they be able to find it in another shop in town? >> 2013 was a tumultuous year for many small business owners. they had to deal with government uncertainty -- confusion over the new health care law. as we look forward, there does seem to be hope. the national federation of independent business optimism index was up in november 9/10 of a point. they provided a seasonal adjusted incr...

Other things, are being cancelled because they don't meet the basic requirements. but most of these people, probably 9/10 of them will be able to get much better policies more cheaply on the exchanges. so that they'll have better policies more cheaply. now, they don't see that yet because they don't see the exchange yet, but within a couple of months they should see that and people should be well served. also remember that we're talking here about a subset of 5% to 6% of the people, because most people you get their insurance from medicare, medicaid from their employers or the veterans adminis...