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That they kept, they didn't do the act at the time it was the whole 501c4, they didn't play that game and there was no cohesive democratic strategy and they felt they were wasting money. we might be seeing the same thing on the republican side. >> maybe but you're talking about a bottomless pit, unlimited amounts of money a very few, small number of individuals can pump into our politics, almost like an oligarchy type of situation where we have these people who are so wealthy and they can pervert our process. it's frightening. >> we'll take a quick break and we'll let you disagree right after ...

After gingrich but in so doing he risks ale lea risks alien naturing a substantial portion of the republican party. megyn: it's one thing to say he's an insider, i'm an outsider, there is another thing to raise impediments to him winning a general election. >> in answer to your question, i think i do expect him to step it up. he will do it through paid mead what with the harshest charges through commercials or his 501c4 so he doesn't have his fingerprints on it. he'll keep driving the contrast of an insider and outsider, and the paid media and the money he has to put behind that paid media sho...

They are funding attack ads, they are giving a hundred,000 or a million dollars to efforts to attack democrats to attack obama. so they are much more willing to cough up cash if they know nobody is going to know they are the ones funding the efforts. >> pat, what is your take on that? >> well, jim, is this a result of that supreme court decision which really -- or is it the old rule the 527s are given to? i mean, this is the swift vote stuff was done this way, wasn't it? >> yeah. different areas of the tax code. i don't want to get too technicals but 527s you can give money and do a lot of pol...

Forth between congresswoman caroline maloney of new york and daryl issa. he tried a tricky maneuver here he was later called out on. i want to have you take a listen. >> this whole irs mess seems to flow directly from confusion over just how the irs should enforce a law that was passed by this congress that gives tax-exemption status to not for profits but only if they're essentially politically nonpartisan. >> you probably were not here when this was discussed, but 501 c 4s do not get 100% deduction. you're not tax dedoesn'table on your donations. >> not at all? >> not a penny. >> tricky mane...

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