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Exempt status and of 2,744 was 501c4, in this one the was 35,000 more than last year. that is down from the previous year, 2009, it's 70,000 applicati forax exempt status. they started this 2010 because they had an influx. the flynn flux,t's down! it's down 15% to to and down 9% for 501c4s. >> sean: sohat spin is contradicted. eric holder has been contradicted. he had come out with the doj, oops, the rosen case and we know that benghazi stories have been contradicted. what do you conclude? >> shredding their own credibility.

Exempt status and of 2,744 was 501c4, in this one there was 35,000 more than last year. that is down from the previous year, 2009, it's 70,000 applicati for tax exempt status. they started this 2010 because they had an influx. the flynn flux,t's down! it's down 15% to to and down 9% for 501c4s. >> sean: sohat spin is contradicted. eric holder has been contradicted. he had come out with the doj, oops, the rosen case and we know that benghazi stories have been contradicted. what do you conclude? >> shredding their own

You and republican colleagues don't believe should bee1 fleeñi from political targeting but you should be free from any scrutiny at all. >> andrea: what? then he tries to defend the fox news with megyn kelly earlier today. >>çó use the first amendment rights. nobody at t irs stopped them from doing it. >> that ignores the reality of the testimony. because a lot of people don't wanti] to donate groups that stamp of approvalqfá of officially becoming 501c4? >> that was not testimonyq under oath. i don't know if he offered proof. >> is he lying to that? >> no. ms. kelly you are putting words ...

Fact, a social welfare group that should be protected under a 501c4? >> bret: of course, the quess wl groups targeted? >> that's what i just said. i agree. >> bret: should it be across the board? >> a c4 is allowed to do political activity, but not primarily. as long as it's under half. >> right. so not primarily. what you see in alabama was simply going after on this initiative defeat obama. they be a political group. >> bret: how do you know that? >> it's been reported. it's been in the patient. >> it's been in the papers. my god. that's the truth. as long as you can show the irs that you're...

And her group. jay, what a powerful moment when we heard becky this morning offering that test mown y'all. i just want to jump to, if i can, congressman mcdermott who apparently wasn't very moved. maybe that's an assumption, i don't know, but his response was to say to her and the others to say look, your groups are highly political. you are all entrenched in some of the most controversial issues in the country. were you seeking to have the american public pay for your work, and why shouldn't you be subjected to scrutiny? >> let's be honest. what the representative did was ignore the fact that...