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Cincinnati on their own, but the idea that government bureaucrats operate is a vacuum without knowledge of where the political winds are blowing is a myth. we thought multiple occasions about if war when cia was shaping intelligence what the white house wanted to hear. now, in this case, i'm not equating the two, but there is a parallel. everybody who after citizens united, a lot of people were concerned about the abuse of 501c4s and those organizations to pump big money into the electoral process. the president denounced it. leading democrats in congress announced it, then after the 2010 elec...

Mobil and so, there are a bunch of people that incorporate as 501 c4s, social welfare organizations, but are going to be getting a lot of adds in and don't have to disclose their donors. the question is, well, these things that say they're 501c4s, the irs has to stay what is the standard, what do you learn about what the irs is supposed to do when faced with this genuinely difficult question. these people say they're going to be a social welfare organization. which side of the line do they fall on? >> here's the main thing i learned from this. the people in cincinnati who are charged with look...

Government there may be violations. so now the bull's eye is on the irs by the fbi and the attorney general's office in my opinion, this is another example where you're better off having a special prosecutor, something with nothing to do with politics, an attorney in private practice. bring him in doesn't have a horse in the race, and let them do this investigation. >> shepard: you know who this is good news for? >> us. >> shepard: it's in news for 501c4s, for anybody who wants run our government for us also they have since they changed the law. now anybody with bills of dollars goes scot-free...

Any good economic growth. >> let me ask you, i want to get back to this jobs question in regular order. let me ask you about the revelations of the irs and the fact that the irs apologized for improperly flagging new applicants for 501c4 political groups, nonprofits going to do politics by certain key words. there are now calls for investigations, a house bill that will be introduced to criminalize this behavior. what's your reaction to this? >> well, i think it's an opportunity. let me say it this way, if, in fact, the irs was targeting people because of their title, that would be wrong. it s...

The social media organizations. so called 501c4s. if you're going to take in millions of dollars and not spend it for charitable purposes. whoever is head of the irs, whoever is doing the day-to-day work there, needs to begin to look more aggressively and to look more thoroughly at what they're doing that way. because, you know, whatever this right winger said on your show, this conservative said yesterday, i saw part of your show. i didn't see that. i saw congressman from ohio, turner, on yesterday. but there clearly were tens of millions of dollars spent last year, chris, as you know in race...