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The president needs to make a very hard decision. he seems to be incapable of making it. i think that's contributing to the chaos we're seeing or confusion we're seeing in public statements and contributing to the chaos we see played out on the border. >> i want to put up the numbers. as you look at the different years, fy-won the, 15,949. fiscal year 2014 so far 52,193 unaccompanied alien children. >> right. i think the president has made a decision. he made one today. he's not going to ask congress for a change in the law that would allow him to expedite the deportation of these kids. this i...

Immigration reform. >> as long as house republicans didn't pass immigration reform the democrats have a great issue in the long term not necessarily in the short term. this looks like mismanagement. when you see these numbers year after year this was happening. >> can somebody answer the question, if the senate bill, the comprehensive immigration bill that passed the senate, if it was the law of the land today, how would it affect the 52,193 who got over here? would they have not been able to get here? would it have affected anything. >> it would have made no difference whatsoever. the argumen...

Border control. >> they're flagging them down. i sent a team a couple weeks ago to south texas, and people are going across on jet skis or rafts or whatever it is, depending on what the situation is, and then they're wandering around looking for border patrol agents to surrender themselves to. >> children have been coming for years but in smaller numbers. in 2011, you had a little over 15,000, almost 16,000 kids who came across. in 2012 -- these are fiscal years -- 24,400 came over. in fiscal year 2013, 38,759, and in fiscal year 2014 so far, and we're not even to the end of the year yet, we'v...