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Referenced, about the news he broke in politico tonight, that eric schneiderman and bob mueller is working together. there's also news from the financial times that the mysterious russian fixer who turned up at that trump tower meeting last june, that has such an intriguing background in hacking attacks where documents are stolen from people's computer servers and then used for good political reasons, he apparently has been called before robert mueller's grand jury to give several hours worth of testimony. that happened on august 11th. we're just learning about it today from ft. so lots going ...

That happened on august 11th. we're just learning about it today from ft. so lots going on. but there's something else that i want to stick a flag in regarding the money part of this, the banks. the bank that was purportedly going to finance trump tower moscow is vtb, 60.9% owned by and fully controlled by vladimir putin. by the russian government. that alone is a stark detail of the trump tower-moscow story we broke this week. while trump was running this strange republican presidential campaign praising putin all the time, we now know he was simultaneously pursuing a giant business deal, not...

Are folks who are made for people who are here illegally in the first place, that to me, that's really something to chew over. >> i think that's an entirely different issue than the process of legal immigration seeking legal refugee status in this country. i do think that, i always caution people to keep the two channels separate and distinct. on its own this is horrific. >> it's interesting, identify not found a lot of democrats who embrace the idea that if you're here illegally you've committed a crime. so when i hear you say that, it seems enlightening. when you look at the fact that statis...

In arizona. there is a different perspective in border states. >> new york being one of them with canada. >> the four states i said are the combined almost 60.9% of arrests. i've always found it arrogant when people outside of border cities pontificate on what you should do with border arrests. >> all of those arrests took place under barack obama, he deported more people than all of the presidents in the 20th century combined. >> it wasn't publicized much. >> right. >> and the key, if you do want to deport illegals how do do you that. no one wants i.c.e. walking door-to-door and rounding up p...

Number. consumer sentiment, 60.9 points, that's way lower than any president who has ever been reelected. in fact, presidents who got defeated for reelection when had a higher number than that. he's in grave difficulty. can he win? sure he can. but if you had to bet on it today, you would bet he wouldn't. >> brian: i thought it was great for him, don't you think it was great to have herman cain controversy take over the dialogue? >> well, not necessarily. 'cause it's better for him to be president and ignore all that. i'll tell you what's useful for him is for herman cain to think he can becom...