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That doesn't contribute to growth. >> maria: that's $650 billion. >> they could take that money and give relief to everybody across-the-board but particularly in the upper income levels that actually create jobs , create growth. you could see some concessions to ron johnson on the small business side but let's remember too, the nfib, which represents small businesses, is for this tax plan, so when ron johnson says he wants carve outs it's not just for the small businesses. you have companies like cargill also passthroughs 150,000 employees and $2 billion in net earnings. >> maria: and that's p...

Having californians and new yorkers pay higher taxes in many many cases to help support, if you will, an agenda of telling people they were going to get a tax cut. >> maria: you're right there are winners and losers spending $650 billion on a family tax credit and if you don't have kids, you don't get that benefit and yet they're not doing anything on carried interest, so you're willing to go to the matt here even if it means your party loses seats in 2018? >> well, look if we don't do the right thing we're going to lose seats in 2018. years ago when we didn't pay for medicare part d, when we ...

Probably see higher taxes as a way to pay for a 20% corporate tax rate. there's no other way to look at it. there were also winners and losers and other things, like the family tax credit. spending $650 billion on the family tax credit, that is great for families. if you don't have kids, you don't get that benefit. depending on where you work, where you live, whether or not you have children will all dictate what your tax return looks like. the truth is is this is a $1.5 trillion plan. they have one and a half trillion dollars to work with to cut taxes and $900 billion of that is for the busin...

For a 20% corporate tax rate. there's no other way to look at it. there are also winners and losers and other things, like the family tax credit. spending $650 billion on the family tax credit, that is great for families. if you don't have kids, you don't get that benefit. depending on where you work, where you live, whether or not you have children will all dictate what your tax return looks like. the truth is is this is a $1.5 trillion plan. they have $1.5 trillion dollars to work with to cut taxes and $900 billion of that is for the business cuts. it's very easy to see that they have to rai...

>> brian: if you want to get china involved, i think you're never going to have them okay we will cut off trade. 650 billion in annual trade. will hurd -- we will hurt ourselves as much as china. i would add sanctioned the banks directly. 83% of our exports come from china. if you are able to get them to stop the oil, if you're able to get the banks to stop dealing. to go economy to economy and say no more deals. chinese trading companies that convert north korean currency. >> ned: we are confronting these options. either its economic war or military. you've got to decide, what approach? >> br...