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50/50. he lost and generally speaking in politics you don't get rewarded for losing. trump has no leverage because there is no appetite in his own caucus among the republicans for another government shutdown and going through this again without some strategy for victory at the end of the tunnel. and the democrats, trump is absolutely right on the substance about the fact we need a physical barrier. customs and border patrol say so. democrats voted in the past. manchin is saying it publicly. the last four presidents, republicans and democrats built 654 miles of physical barrier. trump is asking...

Today. in other words that's an old style of doing things. we have a more effective way without that kind of barrier to do it. the other argument that people have made is that we addressed where you might argue that okay. you need a physical structure or physical barrier. that was addressed. 654 miles. that's not the case. >> let's move onto your presidential cam pachblt you laid out a very ambitious and so it's medicare for all. you'll need to raise revenue to fund some of these priorities. if you were elected president would you undo the republican tax cut law and raise it back up to 35%? >>...

>> well, as you know, jake, the democrats have made clear they're willing to negotiate on investing in additional funds for border security. in fact, they did that in the legislation that they passed earlier this month. i think the difference here is the focus. we have 1,994 miles of border, of southern border. there are already 654 miles that have some sort of barrier or structure, fencing usually. what democrats oppose is a concrete wall or any kind of barrier that reaches across the entire border. there are better ways that we can ensure that we have a border that is completely secure. and,...

America from the statue of liberty that stands for freedom and welcomes imgranlts to a country that literally walls itself off. it is how others see us and have an impact on who we are. it is not a path we want to go down. i agree to do so would be immoral. if there are miles of barrier fencing wall why would adding the notion anymore? we already have that. why would it change who we are? >> i would say two things, number one that 654 miles was built some time ago. it was built out when the technology was not what it is

And welcomes immigrants to a country that literally walls itself off from the rest of the world. and maybe that wouldn't make much of a difference on day one when we do that, but i believe that as years go by, it would change how we see ourselves as americans and how others see us and have a real impact on who we purpose and that's not a path that we want to go down. so, yeah, i agree that to do so would be immoral. >> if there are already 654 miles of barrier fencing, wall, why would adding 100 miles more change the notion of this nation any more than -- we already have that. why would adding...