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With the frozen, which, by the way, works with my analogy that we're frozen. >> and our goose is cooked. there you go. >> neil: the goose, the chicken and turkey. and we're skinned alive. go ahead. >> neil, you hit it on the head. these committees, these pow-wows, and the rest of us are watching really in shock and measuremenamazement that they wo the brass tacks. entitlement spending, they're not touching it. when you start talking about farm subsidy -- look, i don't disagree, we should look into getting farm subsidies. there's ideas of selling half of our gold to raise $193 billion. $500 bil...

Be a lot of static. jon: bob shrum, good to have your interest and expertise. >> thanks a lot. jenna: new details on a deadly show of force in yemen. security forces and unidentified snipers killing dozens of demonstrators and wounding hundreds of other people in the capital city there. witnesses report plain clothes gunmen opening fire from rooftops and buildings around a central square. this is right after friday prayers, a very busy time. demonstrators have camped out for more than a month now demanding that the president step down. so far, jon, he has not done that. jon: both saudi arabia ...

Necessary. >> bill: imperative that we do that. take it back three years, say this is what we are going to spend in 2012, exactly what we spent in 2008. or we are going to start the debate there. start it there. if there are pressing needs we could up it a little bit. if there aren't we could down it a little bit. i'm glad you agree with me on that because you know this stuff much better than i do. in president obama's budget and colmes is trying to pedophile the issue. he wants to raise $493 billion next year to fund the 2012 budget. where is that coming from? >> it is coming from rein statem...

Say this is what we are going to spend in 2012. or we are going to start the debate there. start it there if there are some pressing needs, we can up it a little bit. if there aren't, we can down it a little bit. i'm glad you agree with me on that because you know this stuff much better than i do. now, in president obama's budget, and this is how colmes is trying to petty fog the issue. he wants to raise 493 billion next year. >> right. >> bill: he says going to be $493 billion coming in to fund his 2012 budget. where is that coming from? >> well, it's coming from reinstatement of the payroll ...

Spend in 2012. or we are going to start the debate there. start it there if there are some pressing needs, we can up it a little bit. if there aren't, we can down it a little bit. i'm glad you agree with me on that because you know this stuff much better than i do. now, in president obama's budget, and this is how colmes is trying to petty fog the issue. he wants to raise 493 billion next year. >> right. >> bill: he says going to be $493 billion coming in to fund his 2012 budget. where is that coming from? >> well, it's coming from reinstatement of the payroll tax. a little holiday that we hav...