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Mayor that led to concrete things. so when he comes with his douglas plan, you're saying that he, in fact, has began doing some of that in his tenure as mayor at home in south bend, which is the record that we'd have to go on since that's the office he'd held? >> absolutely, as well as raising the minimum wage with council. you know, the minimum wage was $7.25 an hour. now all city employees come in at $10.10 an hour. if you're a full-time employee, you'll have a minimum of $30,000 a year, which equates to $14.46 an hour. so those are things that were implemented in 2016 way before he thought ...

They can't afford to even send their kids to school because they live in an area, maybe the school is not that great. they have to send their -- >> well, they're -- >> they have so much more to do that is twice as much as when we were younger and growing up. >> and the jobs that young people would normally have, tara, adults have them. like, you have people feeding a family of four on the mcdonald's job that when i was in high school, we used to have. >> well, exactly. the federal minimum wage is still $7.25. it has not gone up for the last decade. worker productivity, though, has gone up, so ...

That's i guess a discussion for thursday. other than the colorful language and he was definitely moved by the color. but he was unequivocal that you brought up the bidens in the post call discussion. he said something to the effect of the president's only interested in big things. mr. holmes said there's a lot of big things going on in ukrainian, there's a war, ukraine's under attack from the east by russia. he puts words in your mouth to the effect of, no, the president only cares about investigations like rudy is pitching about the bidens. what's important about this, this is the day after t...

Confirmed it isn't anything different than happened on the 7/25 call, agreed? >> no. with 2020 hindsight now that we have the transcript of the call, the bidens were clearly mentioned on the call. but i wasn't making the connection with the bidens. >> right. but with regard to the president, it was just mentioning investigations? >> that's all he said on the phone, was investigations, i think. >> but you told us time and again that you never realized the bidens were part of any of this, the burisma and you talked about a con ttinuum and you nev came to understand that to maybe as late as septe...

The president's request during the july 25th call were not consistently with u.s. policy. i emphatically agree with you, sir, yet these text messages show that ambassador volker spent much of august pressing ukraine to meet those requests and we can only be grateful. i guess that the president essentially got caught and congress passed a law to ensure the funding was released to ukraine before it was too late. i thank you both for your service. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> both gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. i want to start if i can with you, mr. m...