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Jake, back to you. >> raphael and paula, thanks. let's talk more about this from a medical perspective. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us now live. how important is this change in terms of signaling a new phase of the pandemic? >> i think that's what it does in some ways, jake. it does sort of signal this new phase we've been dealing with off and on travel restrictions for close to two years. more than anything else it shows the faith that they have in the vaccines, as you mentioned. and raphael and paula mentioned. travelers have to be vaccinated coming into the united s...

So. >> now, wait a minute. >> sean: hang on a second. >> wait a minute. >> sean: actual spending dollars has gone up close to 20% across the board under obama. increased-- >> were you aware that spending is being cut the fastest it's ever been cut in the country right now, right? >> no, no, see you. >> yeah, that's in that congressional budget. >> sean: the washington calculator. cutting or reducing a projected increase is not a cut. that's not a real cut. >> i agree with that. >> sean: okay. so-- >> that's not what's happening. over the last 18 months spending as a share of the economy has co...

So. >> now, wait a minute. >> sean: hang on a second. >> wait a minute. >> sean: actual spending dollars has gone up close to 20% across the board under obama. increased-- >> were you aware that spending is being cut the fastest it's ever been cut in the country right now, right? >> no, no, see you. >> yeah, that's in that congressional budget. >> sean: the washington calculator. cutting or reducing a projected increase is not a cut. that's not a real cut. >> i agree with that. >> sean: okay. so-- >> that's not what's happening. over the last 18 months spending as a share of the economy has co...

Sort of dubious to claim those as savings when, i don't know, it's kind of double counting in a way. and then another 800 billion is from the phantom war savings. another issue to keep in mind, too. a lot of this has to do with the measuring stick you are using. the cbo when they measured obama's latest budget they found it would increase the budget pretty significantly. in any case 10 years from now under obama's plan, national debt would be 76.5% of g.d.p. and current little it's 74.2%. >> there you go. looking at the numbers from the speeches. it's always fun to jump in and now especially w...