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How do we bridge the gap between white and black at this time when the situation broke through like the garner case. >> i think it is hard not to watch that video of him saying i can't breathe, i can't breathe and not be horrified by it. i think there's something bigger than the individual circumstances. obviously the individual circumstances are important. i think it is important to know that some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes so that driven cigarettes jubld ground by making them so expensive. but then some politician had to say we want you arresting people for selling...

With a more compassionate system is possible. i'm not suggesting it's in any way easy, quite the contrary. >> one of the ways you get to the overmilitarized police force, but increasingly small time crime, this small time crime focus of a lot of departments. i want you to listen to what senator rand paul had to say to chris matthews on "hardball" on wednesday about the eric garner case in new york and the kind of crime he was being confronted by half dozen officers for. take a listen. >> some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes so that driven cigarettes underground by making ...

A nation to find our balance again. >> you agree with her? >> you know, i have six different bills to reform the criminal justice system and we would welcome hillary clinton, if she would like to come and help us promote this agenda. i've been working with senator cory booker and other democrats. if she wants to join me, we would welcome her support. >> so it sounds like you and her, at least in this narrow area, might be on the same page. right? >> i think she needs to have a few more concrete proposals. we think the war on drugs has gone too far. we think many of these things could be addres...

Kind of force is acceptable or unacceptable and i really think to calm down the reaction to this, one thing that could happen is the police could say, this is unacceptable for a policeman and we can't have this type of an individual on the police force. >> and i want you to clarify what you said yesterday. you've been getting some publicity, that this was a result of the high cigarette taxes in new york. explain what you meant by that. >> the same way the war on drugs has created policemen that are everywhere being too aggressive with enforcement of the law, such as throwing a concussion grena...

Industry. they work for us. that stems have gotten out of hand. >> good way of putting it. >> in some cities. we have to get back to the notion they work for us, they should reflect the community they serve far more than they do in many instances. not new york city. new york city for my money is still the finest police department in the world. >> we also heard about ran paul who made some news yesterday. let's run the clip of ran paul when he was talking about what mia had brought up. >> i think it's hard not to watch that video of him saying i can't breathe, i can't breathe and not be horrifi...