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Maria: meant me get your take on how you see a balanced budget in 10 years -- >> i am all for a balanced budget. maria: yeah. >> but we need to get the spending under control, and the agreement that mccarthy made with some of these folks was that we would go back to 2022 numbers as a starting point. my problem with that is if we keep them the same as if they were in '22, that would be a $75 billion cut to defense spending. now, even if we try to keep it level, then that means we'd have to then cut nonif defense spending by 30%. okay, i'm for that. but the senate never if will be. there will be...

Elected to congress -- will it matter to the moderates? because, if you are one of those 18 biden republicans who earnestly told your constituents, you want to go to washington and get things done? your political death certificate which is signed in that deal that kevin mccarthy made. because kevin mccarthy cannot protect you any longer from the crazy votes that will be coming forward to defund the troops, which is one of the deals he just made, to defund the troops by 75 billion dollars, or to protect you from the effort to defund the war in ukraine, to protect ukraine. or the effort to fund ...

Cobble together majorities for legislation. they also will call a promise ring that the budget for domestic discretionary spending in fiscal 24 won't exceed what it was in fiscal 20222 years a ago. that includes defense spending which could potentially lose $75 billion of funding. so how in the world as the people's business and get done with these concessions and play? >> that is the challenge in play. they have to make up their mind with the freedom caucus members and those that were setting these demands. they have to make their mind up. they have to listen to their district. their district...

No leverage. and one of the concessions the speaker purportedly made is to reduce the budget number top line for 2024, fiscal 2024 to 2022 numbers which, if you do the math, could end up with an enormous $75 billion cut for defense if they divide cuts for defense and social welfare spending equally. what do you make of that? >> yeah. this was very alarming to me, paul. now, the republicans that i have talked to have been very quick to say, no, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. look, we can cut domestic spending even deeper and actually raise money to the military if we want to. that's al...

How was he able to pick up these 12 votes so far of people not voting for him who just now voted for him. >> i think it's been the same way he's shown his leadership style over the last four years i've been in congress, late last night when there were different groups organizing and meeting and trying to come to terms, speaker-elect mccarthy wasn't even there. he trusted people on both sides of the aisle to sit around a table, do it as long as it takes and come to a conclusion and it shows that there are a lot of people, even people who some of my constituents disagree with on both sides negot...