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A change.org petition gaining steam online proposing the government sell the treasured state to canada for $1 trillion. people behind the idea call montana useless and claim it could pay the national debt. 4000 people have signed the petition although i am sure they don't consider it useless. extra steps to prepare for the busy season. employees at h and r block getting empathy training. agents across the country bracing to deal with customers angry about smaller than expected refunds or surprise tax bills. the irs says average refunds are down 8.4% for early filers. rob: a former cbs correspo...

>> that's environmentally friendly. steve: kleenex gone up. >> i have 1.99 a box higher or lower? ainsley: i would say higher. steve: it went down. explain that? brian: less pulp. >> 1.67 a box. and that is an 8.4% increase from last year. so these are going up as well. so these paper products are really something you want to be mindful of when you are buying them so you don't overspend. talk about ways to save. this one surprised me because we have seen clorox around for decades? do we think the actual price is higher or lower? ainsley: i think it's higher $5. >> 4.50. steve: i bit shop right...

A lot of people are complaining about their tax refunds this year. did you notice that? refunds are down by 8.4%. i want you to take a look at this. during this period last year, the average tax refund was $2,035. now they're down to $1,865. >> what does the president's tax cuts have to do with this? joining me noi now to discuss. >> good evening, let's talk about this. steven, because of the president's tax plan, some workers paychecks were a bit larger and that means smaller year in refunds. how is that going to make middle class working american feel? >> we have done a big analysis announce...

April 1st. >> if you already filed your taxes and found your return is much smaller than in previous years you're not alone. a growing number of americans have learned their returns will be less than expected and in some cases they may owe money to the irs after years of receiving refunds. it's the first tax season under president trump's new tax code after it was passed by republicans in congress in december of 2017. according to the data from the irs for the week ending february the 1st the average refund this year is down 8.4% from last year to $1865. some refunds have decreased because of ...

>> neil: the media has been fixated on this irs 2019 tax refund that shows refunds on average are down 8.4% from a year ago. but kelsey, a personal finance writer, isn't that a good thing? that means you had more of the money during the year, so it's not as big a deal. i don't get it. >> well, one thing to keep in mind with those numbers, it's still very, very early in the tax season. the sample size is smaller than it was this time last year. so it's really too early to tell how this tax -- how the tax changes are going to play out over time. >> so when i'm looking at lower refunds, it means ...