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What difference does it make who the chief of staff is in this white house? he's totally unmanageable. >> the chief of staff is the chief of staff, he's not in charge of the president. in this case, the president is not someone who wants to be governed or told what to do or told what he can't do. and i think that may be a reality that general kelly is simply facing. he's brought some additional order to the process, the policy process at the white house. but the idea that he can change the president, i think, just isn't true. and i'll say one good thing about this. we are seeing the president ...

I'd be surprised if we found nothing. >> and in defense, nicole, of dr. krauthammer, he ended with the two words, so far." >> right. >> as we are saying, so far. >> i think we have, i think that kelly serves -- i think we have an 80/20 problem. 80% of the problems of the trump presidency of trump's creation. 20% were from having a weak chief of staff in reince priebus and this sort of warring, the warring multiple axes of power. i think general kelly can solve the 20% of problems created by the staff but i think the 80% is still the looming question. we still have a president who won't openly ...

I'd love to debate the specifics. some of his specifics, the general idea of shifting from a lottery and the very vague idea of family reunification which you can go out infinitely, shifting from that to skills base is good. the second half, reducing the number, one editorial says we should be skills based and not reduce the numbers. getting democrats on board with an argument, but instead it gets lumped into a policy -- >> i agree. having an immigration policy that focuses on skills -- that's just an 80/20. but you're right. >> it's also a good debate. >> it lumps some others in there that i ...

Americans. if their families came over on the mayflower or they took the oath of citizenship last week. >> it may be an 80/20 issue if it was just skills, but cutting some republicans, like lindsey graham, would you support a compromise that might keep the one million mark. >> it is an emotional topic. so it doesn't touch on temporary guest workers, it is more about the numbers than the policy. if you look at the numbers that

>> so i think it has to be -- mvp has to be kind of well thought through. >> right. >> i think it has to be a minimal valuable product. >> great. thank you. very good discussion. thanks both of you. >> thank you. what really helped us make the leap was we reduced our customer base from 230 down to 8 and we did this basically in year two when we went through what's called an 80/20 process and got rid of customers that were not profitable and freed up capacity. >> the biggest reason we've grown the last few months is the owning of our schengen office. having access to 850 million customers in ...