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Guy. mr. trump today talking about them as a group of hundreds of thousands of veterans. there may just be some confusion here. was there any big organizational impact of some group of hundreds of thousands of veterans here tonight we couldn't see from here? >> no, that doesn't seem to be the case in who was showing up. these are people who bought tickets. the proceeds either $100 tickets to $1,000 tickets allegedly are going to go to this group. i'm not sure what this group is. all we know is it's a conservative group that claims it supports iraq and afghanistan veterans. i don't know the org...

Mr. trump today talking about them as a group of hundreds of thousands of veterans. there may just be some confusion here. was there any big organizational impact of some group of hundreds of thousands of veterans here tonight we couldn't see from here? >> no, that doesn't seem to be the case in who was showing up. these are people who bought tickets. the proceeds either $100 tickets to $1,000 tickets allegedly are going to go to this group. i'm not sure what this group is. all we know is it's a conservative group that claims it supports iraq and afghanistan veterans. i don't know the organiza...

Structure of it or exactly how this group sends out their money. but that's what we do know. there were 853 people who attended tonight's event. it's unclear who paid what amount or how much money was in fact raised but it wasn't quite the 1,000 people that the campaign had been claiming. again, who veterans for a stronger america is, i couldn't quite tell you at this moment, raich. >> katie tur in l.a. at the donald trump speech tonight. i will say, again, the pac for this group as far as we can tell from their latest fec filings had $30 in the bank and $318 of outstanding obligations. if don...

Punished someday. remember, it took a long time to catch them all from pan am 103 and from 9/11. >> it sure did. why were they flying such a dangerous route? >> in my opinion, in what information they had available to them and all the other airlines had available to them, there was no worries and nor would a reasonable person expect them to know that there was an sa 11 pointed at them from the ground. >> but other planes had been shot down just that week. >> none that they would be aware of. all of those planes with well below 21,000 feet. not 32,000 feet. and they were suspected to be shot do...

Previous seven days, why those people would think that it was a separate and some kind of other risk successful. my job and my whole life has been developing the safety management risk system. i'm in expert risk management. that's what i do. and i understand i'm not a lawyer and i'm sure there are different perspectives legally than what i'm saying. let me ask floyd. do you agree or disagree with what he is saying? >> no. i have to respectfully disagree with david. i understand his point about risk assessment. if you and i were on that plane, will we say someone did a risk assessment and bas...