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Gasparino are more up on the black vote, really. >> really? >> he gives me all my good tips. >> please, please. >> anything i say will get me in trouble. >> no, all of us dive into that one. forget about a hack from russia, how about a very real threat from china? after this. today on "forbes on fox" some gop leaders suggesting delaying president-elect donald trump's tax cuts because of our growing national debt. but with a new report showing the nation's 500 biggest job creators would save $87 billion a year from trump's tax plan, the forbes gang says they should pass it on day one. are the...

Don't count your chickens until they hatch. there's a report out that shows that companies stand to benefit to the tune of $87 billion if trump's tax plan goes through. the leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell, wants this to be neutral. revenue neutral. which would mean that it can't be costing anything or add a dime to the deficit in as early as the first year. steve forbes, i always appreciate fiscal discipline and find it odd when i hear democrats say it will make the deficit worse. i'll set that aside. i want to get your thoughts on this whole revenue neutral thing because mitch mcconnell...

Oppose. they're funding -- women's health care. and there is so much, such a polarize the issue and so little trust as we see. this is another issue we see such a political stalemate. the one thing they do agree on is repealing that part of obama care we saw yesterday, the cadillac tax, 40% ex-ize that no one likes it, it is the one thing -- there is that moment of unity. but it creates an $87 billion budget short fall. that's big. >> what implications do you see here, jane that this particular vote on planned parenthood could have on the republicans running for re-election and the swing state...

There. now we have pool of people uninsured? >> that's right. plus you have the cadillac plans now going to be -- the taxes from that is going to be cut out from underneath. that's $87 billion. it's not going to go in to pay for the insurance for those people who are getting subsidized, which that was the whole point. the whole point was to drive competition and drive down excess is healthcare. except now that's all going to get turned around. both the leadership in the democratic party and the leadership in the republican party are going to do that which i agree with, by the way. what you oug...

Democrats believed you changed your positions based on political expediency. you were against same-sex marriage, now you are for it. you supported president obama's trade deals dozens of times, even calling it the gold standard. now suddenly last week you are against it. will you say anything to get elected? >> i never took a position on keystone until i took a position on keystone. >> i actually did vote for the $87 billion, before i voted against it. >> the final question -- based on the law, based on what we know, do you believe between that and the fact that most people find her to be a li...