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We're coming to a stage i think in our civilization where we'll look at the cars on the road and look at it as absolutely gested areas here, in california california, across the country. why can't we do high speed rail? why? you have the president of the council here yesterday. our short funding in infrastructure is going to cost this economy 1% of gdp within the next five years. >> and the interesting thing is the better you make trains and mass transit, the more people ride it. joe, amtrak came to me when i was governor and said we want to cut the time on the harrisburg to philadelphia line ...

Was governor and said "we want to cut the time on the harrisburg to philadelphia line from two hours to an hour and a half. we want $75 million from the state and we'll match it." we did it and in five years the ridership has gone from 898,000 to 1.5 million people. >> let's get a different perspective. joining us from cleveland ohio the president of the mo doc railroad academy david wrangle. he's also president in oregon. david, you not only own two records you've trained engineers. what stands out to you as you hear the information coming out in the last 24 hours about this incident? >> it's...

Thing, but a lot of times a lot of people say you know what seems as though politicians talk about this, utilize these kinds of incidents to say we need to put more investment in this i'm going to charge you more then it still doesn't go to it. >> well let me give you an example. when i was governor amtrak came to me and said we want to speed up the harrisburg to philadelphia railroad line and it now takes two hours, we want to cut it to an hour and a half we want $75 million from the state of pennsylvania, we'll match it. i did it and in three years our ridership went from 898,000 to over 1.5...